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Food for thought.
« on: January 11, 2010, 09:57:42 AM »

Had trouble deciding where to post these, and figured, im sure there will be different opinions on the subject, so, debate forum it is :









The venus project -







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Re: Food for thought.
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2010, 11:17:49 AM »

Masdar can only be done in a country where your government can tell you where to live/work/play... would never work in the US. However, it will be an awesome model to look at once it is up and running and hopefully we can use their discoveries to improve our future development.

As for the Venus project, I'm not sure what to think. They say it is unlike any other type of rule or government (socialism, communism, or any other -ism), but sure sounded close to communism... right now America is still an industrial nation. This use to be the most advanced type of society, till Europe started to evolve past it. Now they are considered to be post-industrial and we are lacking many things to move up to this level. So how do we push past post-industrialization to "Venus"? I think striving towards the idea would be awesome, but their is no way within the next 100 yrs we can get there without a revolution - which may go against the Venus way of thinking (unless it's ok to revolt to get there and then no more revolutions and only evolution).

BTW, good find... I enjoyed watching them.
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Re: Food for thought.
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2010, 01:44:25 PM »

i wouldn't be so quick to idealize europe, they've got their share of problems. just this morning i heard a story on npr about tensions between migrant workers in south italy and the citizens. migrant workers were tired of ill compensation and the organized crime's hold on everything there, while many of the italians were feeling how a lot of white americans feel about mexicans behind closed doors. now they're rounding up the migrant workers into camps or after some riots or something like that, i was on my way out when i heard the story

and greece is having major economic problems right now, and the euro central bank said that they're not going to support them, which might mean trouble for the euro for some reason or another. i don't know, i'm not good with current events, but i don't think they're 'more advanced' than us in any respect, although uhc would be nice.

but on topic, something tells me that these 'future cities' won't really be in our future. the real heavyweights that determine the direction of these sorts of things (china, US, Europe/Russia) are too large and unwieldy for such a massive infrastructure upheaval. the future cities might be good for research and development, but only if it's applicable to existing countries.
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Re: Food for thought.
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2010, 02:08:14 PM »

Trust me that I agree with you 100% about Europe. However, I am only talking about societal mind set... they have as many problems as we do but they consist of a different (although somewhat the same) nature. Also, I think that what they do works well with their culture -  and would fall apart if the same model was used here. The only thing I was pointing to was that they have moved forward in the way that they were thinking (they had to after WWII b/c of the rebuild... of their nation and their society). However, we are "sticking to our guns" so we are moving much slower b/c we are still making lots of money doing what we do. I think that once we do evolve, socially, our model will look much different then europes, but in the end it will still be no where close to the Venus project.
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« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2010, 02:14:58 PM »

oh, fair enough
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« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2010, 04:40:27 PM »

Sweden and Norway is A bit ahead of the curve from what I gather.   They are doing well financially, there citizens seem content and pleased, and they arn't turning their back on projects like these. I hear Sweden is actually raising the land level of its coasts little by little in anticipation of rising sea levels as the polar ice caps continue to melt away.   

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« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2010, 11:26:29 AM »

I love futurists.

RSA Animate - The Empathic Civilisation

Looking at the (potential) future of civilizations in a less architectural sense. Everyone should watch this, it is wonderful.

Also: The Zeitgeist Movement (assuming we can design a post-scarcity global society)
The Zeitgeist Movement - an Introduction


The Zeitgeist folks seem to be inspired by Jacques Fresco. (I'm working my way through all their vids right now)
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Re: Food for thought.
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2010, 12:49:59 PM »

Lol I just saw the Zeitgeist thread. I should've known this had already been posted.
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Re: Food for thought.
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2010, 01:09:49 PM »

Lol I just saw the Zeitgeist thread. I should've known this had already been posted.

find me a web forum that existed in 2007 that DOESNT have a thread about zeiteist and i'll give you a cookie.

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« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2010, 02:08:55 PM »

I guess someone thinks they must first prove the world's current socio-economic stuctures evil before inspiring planet-wide design to aim for post-scarcity and sustainability.

Instead of running from our past in repulsion, we should be forgiving ourselves and coming together to move forward as one global community. For peace's sake.

Problem is, not everyone can see that aspiring for a better future is worth their time. Some people need a more pessimistic, seemingly pragmatic, "we just can't go on this way" presentation. Or, in terms of the following video: Some people place more weight on the past and present and must be convinced that allowing past and present structures to continue unchanged will destroy us all.

RSA Animate - The Secret Powers of Time


With a meme like this, whose target audience is the entire planet, you must figure ways to reach everyone.
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