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LiquidWave32

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Monist Atheists and Dualist Atheists?
« on: May 05, 2009, 07:00:53 PM »
A lot of people I know are atheists, but only one I know is a monist, believing in no spiritual realm. Every other I've met says they believe in nature spirits and an afterlife, but not in any sort of god. Why is it the general notion of atheists is that they're all monist?
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Re: Monist Atheists and Dualist Atheists?
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2009, 07:40:22 PM »
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Re: Monist Atheists and Dualist Atheists?
« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2009, 07:52:55 PM »
is the monist crowd guilty of selection bias, or is the dualist crowd guilty of confirmation bias?

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Re: Monist Atheists and Dualist Atheists?
« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2009, 08:00:08 PM »
i was accusing you of selection bias, and possibly confirmation bias
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Re: Monist Atheists and Dualist Atheists?
« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2009, 08:04:37 PM »
me? why's that?
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Re: Monist Atheists and Dualist Atheists?
« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2009, 08:08:58 PM »
a) A lot of people I know are atheists.
b) Only one atheist that I know is a monist, believing in no spiritual realm.
c) Therefore, atheists are generally perceived as monist

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Selection bias (e.g. Berkson's bias)[1] is a distortion of evidence or data that arises from the way that the data are collected. It is sometimes referred to as the selection effect. The term selection bias most often refers to the distortion of a statistical analysis, due to the method of collecting samples. If the selection bias is not taken into account then any conclusions drawn may be wrong.

Your pool of data is purely anectdotal stemming from personal experience, and you are not taking that into account when you are drawing your conclusion (ie, statement c).
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Re: Monist Atheists and Dualist Atheists?
« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2009, 08:11:18 PM »
what I asked was why does it seem like people say atheists don't believe in anything beyond physical reality, when from personal experience, I've met more atheists in my life who believe otherwise.
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Re: Monist Atheists and Dualist Atheists?
« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2009, 08:12:24 PM »
Quote from: LiquidWave32 on May 05, 2009, 08:11:18 PM
when from personal experience, I've met more atheists in my life who believe otherwise.
Quote from: roxy on May 05, 2009, 08:08:58 PM
a) A lot of people I know are atheists.
b) Only one atheist that I know is a monist, believing in no spiritual realm.
c) Therefore, atheists should not generally be perceived as monist

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Selection bias (e.g. Berkson's bias)[1] is a distortion of evidence or data that arises from the way that the data are collected. It is sometimes referred to as the selection effect. The term selection bias most often refers to the distortion of a statistical analysis, due to the method of collecting samples. If the selection bias is not taken into account then any conclusions drawn may be wrong.

Your pool of data is purely anectdotal stemming from personal experience, and you are not taking that into account when you are drawing your conclusion (ie, statement c).

I made a slight change to c).
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Re: Monist Atheists and Dualist Atheists?
« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2009, 08:15:45 PM »
what's wrong with personal experience?

Also, how does that answer my question as to why atheists are perceived as being monist?
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« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2009, 08:18:12 PM »
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