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HipHop
« on: July 22, 2010, 06:12:10 PM »
erizz and I started to thread jack the ashamed thread, so I started this one...

Quote from: e.RiZL on July 21, 2010, 07:31:04 PM
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Quote from: verb on July 21, 2010, 08:26:07 PM
the problem with hip-hop right now is the amazing producers having whack MCs.  Dont be ashamed, that beat  is sick.  this could be bring up a larger debate.  b/c the mcs in this video have good rhyme patterns and delivery but the lyrics have no substance as well as their vocab being small.  do you really say they are bad MCs just b/c they dont talk about what I want them to talk about? or use the words I want them to use?  they still deliver on beat in unique patterns and alot identify what he's talking about -I'll stop now-  I'd start a tread in music disc section, but I'm tired of talking about...I dont like where hiphop is but I love the beats..
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Quote from: verb on July 21, 2010, 08:26:07 PM
the problem with hip-hop right now is the amazing producers having whack MCs.  Dont be ashamed, that beat  is sick.  this could be bring up a larger debate.  b/c the mcs in this video have good rhyme patterns and delivery but the lyrics have no substance as well as their vocab being small.  do you really say they are bad MCs just b/c they dont talk about what I want them to talk about? or use the words I want them to use?  they still deliver on beat in unique patterns and alot identify what he's talking about -I'll stop now-  I'd start a tread in music disc section, but I'm tired of talking about...I dont like where hiphop is but I love the beats..

i have the exact opposite opinion as you. amazing mc's, whack ass beats. there are exceptions(mostly within the indie sector, doomtree/defjux/etc) but imo most hiphop producers arent even in the same league as downtempo and triphop producers, not even gonna compare it to glitch hop/dubstep.

but yea agree on no substance thing, when its like that i dont even call it hiphop i call it rap, as in the descendant of gangster rap. i guess for me its like no matter how good a person can flow with this style(i'd say demigodz/aotp is my fav) it always gets boring and repetitive eventually. this isnt so much the case with more thoughtful hiphop. but even conscious/backpack hiphop gets too formulaic. its a sad state but theres enough diverse/unique cats out there to produce a few good albums a year, i'm mostly content with that.

Quote from: e.RiZL on July 21, 2010, 08:59:40 PM
haha o werd verb you down like that huh.. def continue this convo elsewhere i got a cent or few for contribution.. personally i fell out with hiphop in 06, backpack to mainline they all swallow scaletail.. but always receptive to the glimmers of prove-me-wrong, i just don't go out my way to dig for gems these days.. and that track is just the kinda stuff that occupies jersey blunt sessions.. sayin stupid shit "and occay-sion-ally treat myself to a nice lil fish n cheese" bwhahaha..

dug this back outta memory today, you dig thuggie, no shame, bring that beat back
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Re: HipHop
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2010, 06:22:58 PM »
I LOVE HIP HOP..............



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Re: HipHop
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2010, 06:50:00 PM »
Tommy : I'm not a producer.  a shit ton of pharrel's beats move me.  clipse - grindin.  EDM is more difficult to produce but doesnt move me the sameway.  Planet Rock will always move me...cant say the same for Sand storm.  You are def right about hip-hop vs rap.  big difference.  jurassic5, J-Live, GangStar aka Guru, Canibus vs NWA, tupac, lil john, Nelly.  Mainstream rap has gone pop which even worse than when it went gangsta IMO.  I miss the mid and early 90's.  KRS1, Rahkim, black sheep...the list goes on.  If you wanted to go gangsta it back in those days you better be a criminal mastermind.  you still needed to be intelligent and articulate.  This starting to sound like common's I used to love her.
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Re: HipHop
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2010, 06:52:26 PM »
I think you just might have given up friend...KRS1, Rahkim, Black Sheep, they might not be making dope music anymore...or...really any music anymore but they have inspired some amazing MC's and just so you know, the producers they use ROASSSSSSSST anything I hear coming through the radio these days......damnit! I totally told myself I was going to stay out of this thread....FAIL
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Re: HipHop
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2010, 07:05:14 PM »
you have to go underground to find good hip-hop, and there actually used to be a time when that wasnt the case, but yes PWT i did give up.  still love hiphop but I'm not pursing her anymore.  I'm not a stalker.
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Re: HipHop
« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2010, 07:08:48 PM »
of course both sides have their great songs, not arguing that. i'm just saying ON AVERAGE triphop and downtempo producers put more work into the complexity and depth of a track, while a hiphop producer will focus on accessibility and simplicity(for the sake of the mc). although as i stated in OP, stuff coming out of the indie hiphop sector nowadays is bridging that gap. i would not be terribly upset if mcs just said fuck hiphop only producers and started rhyming over downtempo shit, like so:

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Re: HipHop
« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2010, 07:39:47 PM »
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Both with sick MC's and dope production...I agree with TMY though, seems there is more depth in those producers he's listing.  I might tally it up to the fact that they aren't making music specifically for an artist and just what comes to them naturally.  However I don't know and bump what moves me most...
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Re: HipHop
« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2010, 05:24:44 PM »
left off with this chapter
"The Jam"

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Re: HipHop
« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2010, 11:07:05 AM »
All of the arguments about hip vs rap and underground vs mainstream, I gave up on long long ago.

Underground is the new mainstream, so many people pride themselves on being "underground." Well what's it called when hundreds of thousands of people call themselves "underground" its call mainstream.

Hip hop vs rap..come on...seriously come on. Potato potatoe

I mean don't get me wrong, I used to argue it all the time because I was so anti "mainstream." But then I sat on it and thought, do these labels matter and wouldn't those underground artists give their left testicles to be sitting on large stacks of loot so they wouldn't have to struggle to perform/create their art.

There are gems laced within everything. I personally prefer hip hop/rap coming out of the 90's, but I have definitely been onto my fair share of 2000+ folk.

Devin (although he is actually old school see: The Odd Squad 1994).
Older Jedi Mind Tricks albums
Reef Tha Lost Cauze
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R.A. The Rugged Man

Madlib, Jdilla (RIP), Kankick....wooo now there are some illy producers.

90's ish can go on for days.
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Re: HipHop
« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2010, 09:36:08 AM »
Quote from: Richard Sweat on July 24, 2010, 11:07:05 AM
All of the arguments about hip vs rap and underground vs mainstream, I gave up on long long ago.

+1

i like it if it's got a soulful beat or if it gets me hype. that puts a lot of commercial stuff within my boundaries. honestly i don't even know what kind of music you guys are talking about when you say mainstream rap. are you talking the southern stuff? or chicago kanye/common/lupe/kid cudi stuff? or maybe the jay-z nyc sound? i don't know, commercial/mainstream as a descriptor is not very meaningful imo
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