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roxy

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Hunting Moby Dick
« on: February 27, 2009, 07:52:59 PM »

For some time now, since at least the bio clip, my white whale has been some unseen idealized vision of full body liquid. Every body part an essential part of the flow, rather than just the arms, every thing working perfectly with respect to every other thing. So far, I've got no whale to show for it.

Progress has been slow, but I'm hoping this next month kicks my ass in gear. Without further ado, the before clip:



Some notes to self for the next month and filming:
-Try to have a camera on whenever possible during practice sessions
-Mirrors are a double edged sword
-Wear sneakers
-Practice floats/glides

Things I'd like to improve and need suggestions on:
-Looking less "stiff." I look like I have a stick up my ass.
-More variations on arm/leg relations beyond that one scarecrow move
-Levels

Any other suggestions/critiques are also welcome.

Also, lol at my attempt at musicality. Seriously?

Edit: another note to self: a straight legged variation of the scarecrow thing actually hits two birds with one stone, levels and more leg moves
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Re: Hunting Moby Dick
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2009, 09:18:02 PM »

soooooo tempted to edit out the 'moby' in thread title


i compare this with your bio clip and see 2 major things that are different, and imo is hurting ur illusion atm

-theres alot less power and intent in your moves now than in the bio clip, especially with the legs

-the swaying you were doing with ur scarecrow seems really counter productive when paired with the extended arm/huge distance liquid your doing with your arms and hands. in the bio clip that style worked so well because of your stationary torso to compliment the movement of your arms but not so much here. i duno how well these 2 elements are gonna mix together even with practice, only one way to find out :)

-i wouldnt know how, but if u can try and make ur fold action a little more defined, i thought i saw some crazy hand angles but couldnt really make them out due to the less than stellar camera quality
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Re: Hunting Moby Dick
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2009, 10:17:26 PM »

Things I'd like to improve and need suggestions on:
-Looking less "stiff." I look like I have a stick up my ass.

I'd like to show you something. Pay attention to what he says at 2:20 and notice how it corresponds with the problem of your stiff upright position. I don't know if this is what you're looking for but you could play with it.




You can find tons of hips isolation tutorials on youtube. I'll stick with this guy b/c I like him for no good reason.




And here's one for you and your wife haha. Actually what I would have you notice is the unisolated (by our standards) body roll/wave he does. This is another way if you switch it up to let go of that stiff body.





That frame you have going though visually unappealing is a blessing in disguise. It's a perfect canvas to paint any sort of body movement onto. Other things I would recomend would be looking into chest slide tutorials and learning how to isolate your knees. Unfortunately there isn't a good tutorial for that on youtube. Flat footed micro knee rolls look very good imo (think tiger). I'll try and add more later. 




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« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2009, 10:50:58 PM »

Thanks for the critiques/tips, guys. I'll definitely make a conscious effort to get everything else loosey goosey and rollin around. I think what's really holding me back is that I feel like I don't want move a certain body part unless 'the flow' compels it to, but then that leaves me with little that I can actually move, at least at this stage. I guess it's better to have superfluous or redundant movements and trim the fat later than look stiff forever.

As for the legs, I'm really trying to get away from flat footed, which rules out a lot of my bio, but leg rolls might not be a bad idea. It's hard to describe and especially convey what I'm envisioning, but until this "hunt," I've just been moving my lower half because I had to figure out something to do with it. Some of it looked cool, but it was pretty arbitrary and wasn't because my lower half was just as much a part of the liquid as my arms. Ehhh it's late and I'm rambling.

EDIT: I know how to say what it is I'm trying to do, now. I'm trying to get away from "LPC" liquid (Fu/Freq/Red), the kind where a lot of the body/leg work is heavily influenced by popping poses and transitions. The difficulty is that I've only seen two people proficient at this, one of whom is ironically Eric and the other being Tien, a buddy I grew up with whom I haven't danced with for a long time.
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Re: Hunting Moby Dick
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2009, 06:27:43 PM »

The best suggestion I have for looking less stiff is doing what I believe is called a "crump".  Not crumping, but when I was learning locking and boog, people always talked about "your crump".  The best way to describe it is extremely bad posture, let your shoulders roll in wards and sink your jaw into your chest.

You take up a ton of space dancing, n you really seem to know how to present your liquid in a dramatic fashion.  I'm jealous because I think my wing span is double yours and i just don't seem to be utilizing it.

I think you hit the nail on the head about the stiffness and the musicality.  If you want to improve your musicality focus on one element of the track the entire track.  For example in that stardust song, the two quick string plucks, and see how many variations you can get out of just that sound.

Just like all the other clips on this thread I'm very excited to see what comes of your dancing over the next month.  Thanks for sharing....PEACE
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Re: Hunting Moby Dick
« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2009, 03:46:26 AM »

I thought unlike some other guys' clips yours was truly raw becasue I remember you used to flow different,


I can't wait for the second clip !
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« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2009, 07:54:30 PM »

The best suggestion I have for looking less stiff is doing what I believe is called a "crump".  Not crumping, but when I was learning locking and boog, people always talked about "your crump".  The best way to describe it is extremely bad posture, let your shoulders roll in wards and sink your jaw into your chest.

You take up a ton of space dancing, n you really seem to know how to present your liquid in a dramatic fashion.  I'm jealous because I think my wing span is double yours and i just don't seem to be utilizing it.

Funny you mention the space. This was the first time that I've made a clip wishing I had more space to work with, rather than feeling pressured to move around more than I usually do from the space I have.

I will try and see if I can work a crump in. I've got my (analog) camera setup now, so this next month should be interesting. Thanks for the feedback and encouragement guys :)
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Re: Hunting Moby Dick
« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2009, 01:43:15 AM »

EDIT: I know how to say what it is I'm trying to do, now. I'm trying to get away from "LPC" liquid (Fu/Freq/Red), the kind where a lot of the body/leg work is heavily influenced by popping poses and transitions. The difficulty is that I've only seen two people proficient at this, one of whom is ironically Eric and the other being Tien, a buddy I grew up with whom I haven't danced with for a long time.

One thing I've done in the past, and it may seem retarded, is to do jumping jack liquid. So it's like your bottom half is doing a jumping jack and the top is doing liquid. Try and smooth out the motion and shorten the leg separation and come up with variations like cross overs. That little hop can also transition into like a running man motion. I don't know if you want to mess around with that.
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Re: Hunting Moby Dick
« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2009, 07:23:50 AM »

That does seem retarded, and I'm not above trying it.

After this weekend, I feel like I'm at a crossroads. I recorded myself working on this stuff, and I also watched some old footage of my digital liquid era stuff. Part of me feels too old to be trying to learn new tricks. Why subject myself to newbdom all over again when I've already got something rad? But then I also remember why I set digital liquid aside. Why spend time/effort working on something you've already reached a point of satisfaction with? Another part of me remembers how irrelevant my digital liquid was outside of a studio/stage setting. It was never stuff I could do out at a party or whatever. At the same time, I don't go to parties anymore, so maybe that point is moot. I guess I'll just have to see after this month where I'm at and go from there.
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Re: Hunting Moby Dick
« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2009, 05:58:27 PM »

just a small suggestion, something I've tried recently.  Record yourself eyes closed...sometimes seeing yourself can really cause a block in creativity.  Just a thought, your unique, know all the lingo, so I'm thinking this is a rather small hurdle your mind is turning into something bigger then it should.
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