so what are u callin it? stacks? how bout short stacks? or shawt stax?

Probably just stick it under builds I guess. Or call it stacking I don't know haha

MKG has already made a (digitz) concept called stacking (that birdage demonstrated in a prior clip actually), and this concept in liquid is somewhat similar.  birdage, did david's digitz stacking have an influence on this liquid "stacking" concept?

Well short answer no. Like I said in my story I just did it one day while I was dancing and was like "well that works for some reason". I didn't call it anything till I read that post about NASA. That's when I started calling it hand stacking/ building. Then the breakthrough moment for me was a few days ago when I realized this was just another expression of the idea one hand following the other.

Actually this jogged my memory. MKG did show me digits stacking years ago. I never did anything with it until recently when it started working with my digits. And it works very well with this idea now that you've mentioned it. I guess we were expressing the same idea but in a different way. All these things overlap b/c they're all the same idea... liquid.

the planar stacking motion, i like, but i feel is limited because of your hand posture.  the concept of what you're doing seems to be a sub-concept (or a simple machine foundation) of Builds. 

Yeah the hand posture is what's limiting, and that's what I'm working on. But I know it can be opened up. In the first scene skywalker does the same type of concept just warps it into a new dimension.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQd1f8p_6i8

 

I may catch some flack for this one but.... In this first initial clip....  In the first minute if it I see very little of anything I would relate to liquid. To me, it looks like popping mechanics applied to mainly your arms.  Now, thats not saying that i'll never view this concept to be liquid, cause there was pockets of flow in there, and considering this idea is completely new to you you are still working the kinks out. But so far it would seem that im only the one that doesn't view the majority of this clip to truly flow.  Sometimes I think people want to be able to take waving/the handwave out of liquid so bad, that they are willing to tag something liquid through some odd philosophical explanation when the movement itself is truly lacking flow.   

   But, this could work. Time will tell. one month or so from now I'll probably be eating my words :P

while i know it wasn't apart of your conceptual demonstration: 1:07-1:10 is...i think...the craziest shit ive ever seen with digitz.  kudos on that.

the planar stacking motion, i like, but i feel is limited because of your hand posture.  the concept of what you're doing seems to be a sub-concept (or a simple machine foundation) of Builds.  as i said in the previous thread, it looks influenced by mkg's digitz stacking concept, but applied to liquid, which is tight.  this flat hand rigid posture you have going, while i believe to be limiting, will likely pose very supplimental to the shapes you make in digitz, as they provide initial lines to work off of for framing.

the digits thing from 1:07-1:10 he did the(almost exact?) same thing in his last digits clip, iono i didnt like the fact that it was kinda crooked and off center, and all he did with it was that sort of bounce thing before transitioning to something else.

i think we all can agree that this 'stacking' isnt anything new, birdage already quoted the one guy talkin about ppl doin it @ scotto's parties, i've seen it plenty of times in llc clips, and in birdages earlier clips. i even remember doing a version of it in one of my first clips here, iirc horrowshow pointed out that he wasnt feelin it so i stopped doin it :o(for the most part, i still habitually do a closed fist version that i got from lpc). the trick here is that bird might be one of the first high-level liquid peeps to focus on stacking as the central part of his style. the skywalker clip bird linked is pretty interesting too, that very first part is actually the one thing that stood out most to me the first time i watched that clip.

was also a bit interesting that kai mentioned ridig hands and its limitations, i agree that it does have a good bit of limitations but that they can be worked around. one way would just be to get your torso and core more involved, skywalker clearly shows that way although i wish it were more on the horizontal/vertical planes. another would be to not abandon the handwave completely like i mentioned in my critique, i think shenchi's style would've been alot doper if he had incorporated some stacking, judging from his floasis bio vid.

scott if i remember(which i should) i'll bring this thread up when i cya next weekend

3. Explore new hand positions to 'stack' with, as kai mentioned. Maybe take a cue from tutting for new hand/arm positions to work with.

werd

and agreed roxy, I saw flow in the first minute too, it isn't so hard to imagine for me that one could 'liquid through popping' :) :) :)

This clip reminds me of ur concept.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwVBzx0LMNQ